August 07, 2006

The Syntax of Beliefs

Ran across this sentence in an article about the Shakers (I too had thought they were all dead):

Known as Mother Ann, she was persecuted and jailed for preaching unorthodox beliefs such as sexual and racial equality, pacifism, and that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits.

It sounds funny to me—zeugmatic may be the technical term. To me it sounds as though there's faulty parallelism; at least there should be an 'and' before 'pacifism'. Even that doesn't sound great to me, but there may be something artifactual at work here;

unorthodox beliefs such as that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits

sounds bad to me, but

unorthodox beliefs; for instance, that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits

sounds fine. I don't know what's going on there; could it be something about 'such'?

In any case, I doubt that there's any deep moral about beliefs here. In a similar construction, this sounds terrible:

I was convinced that they would make the playoffs because of their record, their defensive strength, and that the other teams had tougher schedules.

But add 'the fact' and it's fine:

I was convinced that they would make the playoffs because of their record, their defensive strength, and the fact that the other teams had tougher schedules.

Add 'the idea' before 'that' to the Mother Ann sentence and it's fine too. So this doesn't seem to suggest that facts and beliefs can't be made parallel to other things, simply that they have to be made into nouns rather than that-clauses if they're to be made parallel to other nouns.

Note also that Mother Ann's beliefs were pretty great for the 18th century. Shame about the celibacy.

Posted by Matt Weiner at August 7, 2006 08:54 AM
Comments

Take this fragment: "unorthodox beliefs such as that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits"

and replace "such as" with "like": "unorthodox beliefs like that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits". This sounds better to me, if somewhat informal (sounds like speech rather than something you'd read). What do you think?

Posted by: dagger aleph at August 7, 2006 09:50 AM

Oh, and it reads better if you put a comma after "beliefs."

Posted by: dagger aleph at August 7, 2006 09:51 AM

I definitely like it better with the comma. Without I have trouble making sense of it; my ear wants it to end after "that" or "that God."

(Possibly related: I read "Democratic club presidents in this town or that are replaced, move, die or retire" and thought "Which town? Why are you pairing club presidents in this town with ones that are replaced etc.? And what's the verb?" Then I realized that it meant "this or that town.")

And with the comma it does sound like acceptable speech. It looks funny to me but it sounds fine.

One thing I didn't do is check the parallelism with "for instance" or "like":

Known as Mother Ann, she was persecuted and jailed for preaching unorthodox beliefs: for instance, sexual and racial equality, pacifism, and that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits.
Known as Mother Ann, she was persecuted and jailed for preaching unorthodox beliefs, like sexual and racial equality, pacifism, and that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits.

Both still sound bad to me. And they sound bad as soon as I hit "sexual or racial equality," which makes me think: maybe the problem is that those aren't beliefs, but things you believe in. Though pacifism seems like a belief. Thinking it over, this probably isn't what's going on.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at August 7, 2006 11:16 AM

unorthodox beliefs such as that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits

Funny, I have no problem with this. But replacing "such as" with "like" seems like an error to me, or at least sounds like a child talking.

"sexual or racial equality" [...] aren't beliefs, but things you believe in

I agree. And you wouldn't say "I believe pacifism," either. Pacifism may be a "belief" in the sense of a quasi-religion, but it's not the same as a belief in a particular fact.

Posted by: Richard at August 7, 2006 03:15 PM

unorthodox beliefs such as that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits

Funny, I have no problem with this, but I can't accept replacing "such as" with "like."

"sexual or racial equality" [...] aren't beliefs, but things you believe in

I agree, and I wouldn't say, "I believe pacifism," either.

But though sexual and racial equality, pacifism, and that God possesses both masculine and feminine traits may be non-parallel kinds of belief, they are all things that one preaches.

Perhaps one way to fix the original sentence is to remove the words "unorthodox beliefs such as".

Posted by: Richard at August 7, 2006 03:58 PM

All the sentences seem fine to me.

Posted by: teofilo at August 7, 2006 09:23 PM

Unsurprisingly, I like my second draft comment better than my first comment.

Posted by: Richard at August 7, 2006 10:59 PM

As I said to Maribeth when she told me about the same article, I find it surprising that there are only four Shakers. Surely there are other celibate orders, some with fewer resources and less name recognition, that manage to maintain larger numbers. It must be deliberate extreme selectiveness on their part rather than a lack of potential converts.

Posted by: Richard at August 7, 2006 11:05 PM

The distinction between "sexual and racial equality" and "pacifism" is extremely fine here— sexual and racial equality could be a condition of the world that you want to attain, whereas pacifism is a creed. But sexual and racial equality is also a creed. So, never mind.

Richard, that may partly be right. But also, if you have celibate orders embedded within larger churches (like Catholic or Buddhist monks and nuns) that gives a large pool of potential converts, people who might be disposed to that order. Whereas with the Shakers it seems you have to take the leap all the way into celibacy from outside the religion. I don't know if there are any freestanding celibate religions that continue to exist.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at August 8, 2006 11:10 AM

Heaven's Gate had 39 members.

Okay, it doesn't continue to exist, but not because of the celibacy.

Posted by: Richard at August 9, 2006 12:03 AM

You know, I'd been thinking of them. But the trick here, I think, is maintaining larger numbers. Other celibate orders may get an initial push, but will they manage to persist through several generations even if they don't commit mass suicide? The Shakers really lasted quite a long time.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at August 9, 2006 06:28 AM